analysis i'm guessing is coming up present limit i'm sherard smith. see you later. >> say it ain't so. that is not what the president told leno. fox on top of the president dialing is back, addressing the domestic surveillance program days ago. tells the late-night comedian didn't exist. today a serious attempt, one last time, maybe to get it right. welcome everyone, i'm neil cavuto and just call maybe a kinder, gentler nsa, pretty intrusive but maybe this time with a pretty please. the president announcing steps to make sure government spies don't overstep. but there is more oversight, more transparency on the way. but did he do anything today to

quell the controversy? to ed henry at the white house. ed? >> good to see you. you heard the president there. he started the entire news conference with a brief mention about his economic road show but surprisingly, instead of focusing on that, the really did hit the nsa issue hard and shows he is on defense on it. trying to show that he is taking steps to quote-unquote reform it, quote-unquote, add transparency and the like. but as you note there are critics who will say that is not enough, too little too late. the president i would note also on defense in this news conference over the current terror threat that tie back to the nsa surveillance programs, the terror threat in the middle east and whether the president misled the company when he said al qaeda was on the run. you heard my colleague, john carl of abc ask, well, how are they dismated if now they're potentially launching these attacks that we shut down

embassies. he said the meant the core al qaeda leadership but affiliates are growing. you heard me ask about benghazi. you heard the president very sharply say it took longer than 11 months but eventually got pin bin laden. so he believes he will get the killers in benghazi two other quick issues. healthcare reform, big impact on the economy. suffered a lot of blows but you heard a president who sounds confidence he will get it implemented and it would be a mistake for runs to tie funding for the healthcare law to the potential government shutdown, and he weighed in a little bit on the fed chair. he said he wants somebody -- he will pick somebody in the fall, first of all. he want somebody with pro growth policies that will keep inflation in check and have a strong dollar as well. that's not a surprise to hear. interesting, a lot of people

picked up that at one point sound like he referred janet yelling, and referring to her as mr. yellen might make some people think he already picked larry summers. >> neil: to the historian who says the president might have blown an historic opportunity today. getting ahead of the crisis by admitting these rampant reports of spying are indeed a crisis. larry says that is what great president does, they get on top of a mess, even if they themselves did not create the mess. take kennedy who months into this presidency acted on a plan concocted under his predecessor to take fidel castro down. it was disaster, but rather than run from the bay of pigs kennedy took responsibility. oddly, jfk's poll numbers went

up. larry, welcome to you. the fact that the president started the week out saying that this was much ado about nothing, there was no domestic surveillance going on, but ended the week with all these productions and provisos to make sure it doesn't happen 0, police it didn't. what why didn't he come out and say, botched my initial reaction. >> he ought to. to put a problem behind you, you first have to get on top of it, and let people see that you're on top of it, and then where there are problems -- and there usually are -- you admit the problems and as commander in chief take responsibility for them. and the whole series of subject wes just listened to in the press conference we didn't hear

that. we're hearing a lot of recycled lines. this is when presidencies get stale and that's where i think jfk and many other presidents could be good lessons for president obama. >> neil: depends on when the crisis hits you. no one is saying that this president was behind botching surveillance efforts or go too far north far enough. many like chris christie argued he is just following up on bush policies. but to not even acknowledge they appear to have gone too far with many americans, rightly or wrongly, feel they've have. misses a golden jfk moment. >> absolutely. you want to admit there's a problem before you try to solve the problem. and again, the president is in charge. a president has to take responsibility, and you mentioned a number of these instances before for jfk, the bay of pigs a perfect example. kennedy admitted it was his fault. his popularity goes up because people aren't used to people in charge admitting they were wrong

and taking responsibility. he did it on civil rights when you had rioting in civil rights demonstrators beaten, and he had not properly prepared and planned for that eventuality. he blamed himself for that. self other instances during the kennedy administration when he did that. i think americans respect that. they admire it when a president does it. and when a president obfuscates it actually intensifies the problems he is dealing with. >> neil: sometimes as the press conference went on and i was listening -- very, very long appearings. i know he is a great lawyer and has legalees responses -- he could benefit from a short, terse jfk remark, and i'm reminded of this, after the bay of pigs fiasco and then-president kennedy talk about it. this is sport sweet. >> there's an old saying that victory has 100 fathers and

defeat is an orphan, and i wouldn't be surprised if information is -- in regard to the recent activities. >> do you think that brevity might be helpful here? that the impactful, be to the point, maybe even be emotional? >> my answer is, yes. speaking of brevity. look, neil, as i was listening to the press conference, particularly the eternal answer on obamacare, realize the senate is not the only source of a filibuster. >> neil: interesting. larry, thank you very-very much. now to the latest on the nsa scandal. the general in charge of the agency wants to stop leaks coming from folks like edward snowden by replacing the i.t. guys with the machines those i.t. guys general live watch.

>> do you read me? do you read me, signal. >> affirmative, dave. i read you. >> open the pod bay doors, hal. >> i'm sorry, dave. i'm afraid i can't do that. >> hal, i won't argue with you anymore. open the doors. >> dave, this conversation can serve in purpose anymore. goodbye. >> hal? hal? >> okay, so maybe it won't be that bad. but i'm just telling you, putting your face in machine will -- well, put your faith in man. mike huckabee says machines won't fix the problem. >> i was so glad to see you would that clip from "2001." it does remind me that sometimes maybe we should get some machines to do things because humans can be even more stubborn

than hal was. >> neil: with the way, machine -- no one thought an individual was collecting these phone records. >> right. >> neil: buttons were pushed and they got the phone records, 115-plus million of them and they were there the people seize on the data they get from these machines and that's the worry. >> and four and a half million people have security clearances. when a person who is 29 years old has a level of ability to get into that level of information, you know, and we can be told -- look, we're not a doing that. the point it that you can, and after the irs, after benghazi, after james rosen, after the ap, the biggest problem the white house has is not what they can do or even what they are doing. it's the fact they have lost credibility and people just don't trust what they're saying. >> neil: they also don't trust maybe the -- fairly or not, whether the president means what he says on this, because issues

that were very real in the beginning to him are now phony as we speak. just a string of the president's reactions to these and other crises. take a look. >> endless parade of distract distractions and political posturing and phone scandals. >> phony scandals. >> foamy scandals. >> fake scandals. >> endless parade of political posturing posturing and phony scandals. >> here what's it weird. when the irs came to light, benghazi, the initial reaction predictably and hopefully was that the administration says, we're going to get to the bottom of this ilks find out what happened. ed henry's point, the question on benghazi, we're still waiting. on the irs thing the president was going to launch an investigation. the very groups targeted have not heard from the investigator. so, what is phony? the promised response it to or the fact that the crisis needed responding to? >> i think the phoniness is that they're going to get to the bottom of it. haven't even gotten to the top of it.

much less the bottom. when roberter muller the fbi director was before congress and they canada him where they are in the investigation, he might as well have been trying to say, did i win the lottery? he had no idea. who is heading up the investigation? i don't know. because there's not an investigation. >> neil: what if that came to light that there were no investigations going on here. what we have been lied to. >> wouldn't be the first time. i mean canner we were lied to about ben gats si. we were told it was about a video. we clearly know -- and they knew it wasn't about a video. yet for 17 days they continue to say it. and only when they were caught red-handed with the lie in front of them could they say maybe it was terrorism after all. >> neil: what he its saying -- there's a message in that. we want to make progress on these big issues, and to the point on immigration and health care, et cetera, but republicans are stopping us because their mired in these phony scandals. >> it does not help the

president, nor does it serve him well, when hey has a press conference like he just had and instead of doing what larry sabato suggested, rising to occasion, showing i'm not getting down into the weeds, he becomes combative, he says the republicans only want to keep 30 million people from having health care. neil, that's nonsense. republicans are worried about debt. they're worried about the loss of freedom. that people have to pick their doctors. they're worried about the fact that the government and some bureaucrat in a nameless, faceless bureaucracy will decide whether they get hip surgery or -- >> neil: doing him in good? >> it hurts him because he comes across at combative. the devotees will think, oh, go, he stuck it to the republicans. but if he wants wants to gotch,s to work with them north challenge -- with them, not

challenge. somebody has to be the adult in the room and it needs to be the president, and if we can't be we're not going to see any resolve. >> neil: take a gander. thank you very much. that phony irs spying? apparently still spying. this guy is not sloughing it off of he is just digging in. you'll never believe what in the guy digging in just dug up. ♪

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>> neil: all right. after seven weeks at the top the dodger for the dow, finishing the week in the recommend the first down week we have seen in seven weeks, since august of last year. for those concern about their investments, the dow was up appreciably this year. so it's not that stocks are not very impressive.

it's just this week in the meantime, we're getting this just in. the targeting is not out and irs agent confirming it, tea party groups slamming it, and moments away the man releasing what he calls the proof here. listen. but first to mike emanuel with the latest from the nation's capitol. >> tomorrow marks three mocks since the irs offered an apology for the targeting of conservative groups, and mere months after the scandal broke it's still taking place. house ways and means staffers interviewed an irs agent and was sad what if a tea party application with no evidence of political activity was received. the agent said, quote, at this point i would send it to secondary screening political advocacy. so the agent was asked, you would treat a tea party group as a political advocacy case even though there was in evidence of political hack different? the agent said, based on my current manager's direction,

uh-huh. the ways and means chairman calls it must stop immediately and others in congress say the irs investigation must go much deeper. >> the public deserves to know. and the congress is conducting a legitimate oversight function in doing this. so, yes, there is some explaining to do, and i think we're asking for that explanation on behalf of the american people, on behalf of people from the right and the left who believe in free expression. >> irs officials say they have made changes. they say they want to see the full transcript of the interview to get a better sense of the context. neil? >> neil: thank you very much. now on the phone, the map of the hour who released the report, the interview with ther is iragent. dave camp, chairman of the house ways and means committee. chairman, what are we to make of what the irs is still doing? >> good afternoon, neil. first of all, it's an outrage they continue to target groups

for extra scrutiny based on their name, without any evidence of political belief, and obviously the example we used is tea party, and if you're a tea party, you get secondary screening. if you're not, you don't. so, again, completely unequal treatment, and targeting of a particular group because of their political beliefs. >> neil: do you know whether that's the case, congressman, or to give the irs its due, no one is coming out to talk to us to give their due -- this might be we're continuing something we said was not a targeting attack on conservative groups, just secondary screening to check on applicants. >> we know they ended the so-called bolo list, be on the lookout list used by the irs, but they're still taking groups and giving them extra scrutiny simply because of their suspected political beliefs and that has to stop. we are were told it could stop. it clearly has not stopped.

it's gone on for at least three years. >> neil: cockman, it's -- congressman, it's like it wasn't an i-with the press corps or the president volunteering an answer, updates. never came up. what do you think? >> i think the abuse and delays these americans have faced is completely unwarranted and i think real is something that we should all be concerned about. this investigation, only gotten 10% of the documents. we have done 20 interviews. there's a lot more to do and obviously we have to make sure that we build the strongest case as possible, but what we found out is during the course of the investigation, it's still going on. >> neil: do you know how many are being targeted? >> i don't know that. this is the first we heard they were continuing to send cases for extra scrutiny just because they had tea party in the name. that's what started the whole thing off. that's what is wrong. americans shouldn't be harassed because of how they expres

their political views. >> all right, chairman, thank you very, very much for this update. and as we said here as well for liberal groups that said they were targeted, too, we always have been trying to get any one of you on the show to talk about it but we hear a lot of people saying, cease and desist, because liberals were targeted. not a one has come up. why is that? would you even think of giving money to these guys? what if told you, you already are. [applause] the last thing i want is to feel like someone is giving me a sales pitch, especially when it comes to my investments. you want a broker you can trust. a lot of guys at the other firms seemed more focused on selling than their clients. that's why i stopped working at my old brokerage and became a financial consultant with charles schwab. avo: what kind of financial consultant are you looking for? talk to us today.

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>> neil: protests ramping up in egypt and we're still shelling out dough to egypt and reports media outlets are slamming our policy. my next guest has me wondering, haven't we paid enough?

haven't we looked like saps enough? says it's time to end this aid to egypt and others that treat us the way. michael go to have you. the old saw from others is that, well, these folks, the ones who burn the flag, they're not the ones getting the money. the ones getting the money are the -- those that try to keep the government stable, keep it friendly. you say what? >> i say a pox on all of them, neil. we have managed to turn a democratic election, a fair election, into a disaster for the united states. we have helped put the military back into power in egypt, re-established a dictatorship, and we have aggravated an enemy that could be very powerful and certainly have opened the way to a civil war in egypt. it's time to cut -- gore vidal wrote that the middle east is important to us just to the degree the war hoff the roses is important to us. it's not. it's time to cut the aid to the

egyptians, turks, jordanians, israelis, end it all. and let them sit in their own juice. >> neil: people say if we don't play a role, the chinese, russians, name your superpower, will, and it will be to our detriment. you think things are bad now, they control the shots and the funding, game over. >> what could be better than to wish the israelis and arabs on the chinese and russians. we have had them for 50 years. it's cost us too much money. too many lives. let the russians try to deal with the mess, or the chinese. >> all right, now, turn it around. whatever money we have given egypt, the argument in the past has been it brought us a relatively stable democracy until it fell apart. you argue that's the price of getting friends and keeping them, a waste of money. >> what do we have left in the middle east, neil? we bet on tyranny.

the world's preeminent democracy bet for 50 years on the stability and eternity of monarchies and dictatorships and tyrannies. it's gone. our influence is zero. you can't send, for example, to egypt, two senators who may as well be in the israeli government. they are the biggest supporters of of israel -- >> neil: john mccain and others. >> do we think muslims are stupid? and that graham and mccain were out there to give a share of power to the islamists in they were out there to go through a pant -- charade so they could say the europeans and united states tried to help us, but this alarmists walked out on us. things could not be worse unless we make them worse. >> neil: you mentioned russia.

i want to get to the president's comments o. russia where he made it very clear that despite not going for the one-on-one summit with putin he still wants to go the good -- g20, there's still stuff we can do together. do you think the russians are trying to make us look like fools? >> i think the president looks like a cowering coward. putin is a tough guy. whether you agree with him of not. the president needed to meet with him and at least figuratively grab him with the lapels and explain america's position. >> neil: what if they really hate each other? what does that prove? >> that obama would be interested in protecting the united states. i think for my mind that would be an important step forward. and i also think that part of this lesson is obama has been more than willing, with his

party and with the republicans, to poke their fingers in the eyes of the russians, over inconsequential things. organized crime in the soviet union. gay rights in the soviet union. of what you think of the russians are doing, it's the russians' business, not ours. part of the problem with the snowden thing, putin got chance to put fairway back in our eye for all the gratuitous times we have done it to him. >> neil: he is obviously going to respond. what do you think it will be? >> i think he has done it already. snowden is a real problem for the united states and i think he caused us a lingering problem. we don't know what snowden has, how much more he will release. i think this is an issue that should have been done much more quietly than we tried to do it. >> neil: you think it gets worse. >> i do think it gets worse over time. >> neil: good to see you again.

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>> you want to eat at your favorite spot? forget the tot. a restaurant is going kid free. is that right? the attorney and mom says the business can do whatever it likes but attorney and mom to be, angelique gomez, says otherwise. all right. businesses, establishments, do whatever they want. >> it's a private business. if they don't want to serve certain patrons there's no law telling them they have to unless they're discriminating against someone and kid don't fall into a protected class of citizens. so no harm no foul. >> i think it's a horrible policy. you have adults who are loud and obnoxious so the better policy si is getting rid of rude patrons, and you are assuming

children under eight -- >> i think they don't have to be eight. they can be 10 or 11. now, i think -- any restaurant manager see my boys approaching, put us in the kitchen. >> you bring up a very good point. a lot of restaurants have certain family dining areas, which i think is the better policy. >> neil: but they don't have to do that, and there are plenty of -- why ailentate your customers? >> neil: what about customers without kids or on date night. >> you can have it with the family diningroom. >> this is just a marketing tool and nothing wrong with it. i can't think of one law that would say a restaurant cannot choose to decide -- >> neil: very different if the restaurant says, on the spot, cavuto is coming, his kids are loud or we just watch cnn. it's different if they have a

policy ahead of time no kids; >> right. >> neil: a policy that exists we don't allow kids, adults only, their -- >> nothing wrong with it. >> neil: what's wrong with that. >> in some states, maybe not in texas, -- in a state like new york there is a prohibition on discriminating on age class. >> neil: are you kidding me? >> you don't have to go to that restaurant. now, you might find it offensive, the whole thing, about now you're going to get a lawsuit over it when he owner is saying i just don't want kids here. then you're taking things out of control? >> not taking it out of control. you're telling me, have my kid, soon to be born, i'm going to make life hell for you, and that kid's first statement is going

to be, hi, my mom is a lawyer. >> in some states, some municipalities they have he's ordinances, and is this discrimination to root out children with physical or enemy disability? >> neil: come on. >> this is happening. hooter's restaurants. they're not blatantly saying no kid allowed but you can understand parents know, not many kids are in that restaurant. >> neil: what's the problem? >> what's the problem? >> neil: there's a problem. >> a restaurant with a child's menu -- do they have kids' menus at hooters? >> they don't. >> when they have children menus and families have green accustomed to taking their children there, why institute this type of policy? if somebody is being loud and disruptive, kick them out. ask them to leave.

>> neil: 5,000 restaurants within a couple of blocks. >> restaurants should be promoting family time. >> neil: but if one of them doesn't allow kids, i have 4,909 restaurants i can go to. >> right. the business owner loses out because you lose out on money. you have -- >> neil: a lawyer like you is going to say, you're an indian restaurant. why are you serving only indian food? do you real -- >> never make that argument. >> neil: it's a slippery slope, my friend. you are -- >> i would never make that statement. >> neil: you view of reality is distorted. >> are we singling out pregnant women? >> neil: thank you very much and that was my entire point. to do something like that. all right. so you're just saying, very, very -- >> i think as a business owner you don't want to alienate any type of customer. >> neil: i think business owners draws in customers saying this is the one refuge from loud

kids. >> you have them in one area and then you have the romantic single couples in another. it's smart business. >> i think gay restaurants are told you can't serve the people you want to serve and the theme, you can't have hawaiian night, it's a problem there's no law -- >> neil: there should be. a law against hawai'ian night but that's another thing. it is what it is for now. no laws broken. so far. until you get down to texas. >> when we come back. back to school or back to something worse? forget reading and writing. signs that point to something more like a recession. ♪ ♪

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this school shopping season and the proof could be in the numbers. retail missed expectations in july despite a whole bunch of discounts aimed at getting the school shoppers in. laura says that spells bad news for the economy moving forward, but -- did i say it right -- disagrees, saying it's too early to jump to that conclusion. what i don't understand -- i think it's very early to judge retail sales anyway. school is weeks off. but having said that, it's the concern that this is reflecting parents just tightening up? >> heres what is happening. there's a think called back toll could creep and i'm not talk can about the bully on the playground making fun of your kids. this started back in june, when kids were pretty much getting out of school, this advertising that retailers were doing, trying to get the parents in to buy back-to-school supplies for

august, and i think right now you're just seeing parents becoming the key. they don't want to buy anything. >> neil: too early. a lot of conditioning kids get become early, but a lot of people still trying to cling to the summer as long as they can. wouldn't a better barometer be the week before labor day. >> it's true the selling is moving closer to the season but promotions do matter. the truth is whether it will determine a lot of this. but the problem if you miss back-to-school selling, those sales don't come back. >> neil: maybe like christmas and they wait for the sales close to the event. >> that hunt been as much of a trend in back-to-school, particularly this year because june we saw clearance sales you wouldn't normally see until late july. june was stronger than july. >> july is transitional so we see this a lot. you see people spending less in

july -- >> neil: it would be argued, christmastime, never skimp on your kids, and back to school, never skimp on your kids, let's say we are skimping our kids. and we feel like the restaurants and we don't want the kids or don't like the kids. what is going on? >> i think it's exactly what i said before. parents are really feeling the fatigue. they basically -- the customer has changed. the consumer changed since 2007. we went through a recession there hasn't been a defining moment that has told the consumer out there that we are out of the clear. so the consumer has changed their spending habit for the most part indefinitely. they're not spending that much on clothing. >> neil: what being technology? >> not great. we're in a deflationer in consumer electronic cycle.

>> neil: what are parents cutting back on in. >> everything. consumer spending is -- if there's boom, it's home-reach lated spending. home reed pollling is -- remodeling, furnishing is strong. >> neil: the parents are being selfish, god bless them, and taking it out of their kids' note books. >> i think parents are spending on technology. best buy stock is hitting all-time highs and parents are buying that technology. >> neil: laptops. >> mobile twices, ipads. parents are spending -- because they don't want to spend so much on laptop, they're buying these ipads, the portable, smaller versions that are less expensive. you're seeing. neil: for the kids. >> they're not spending on clothing. >> neil: so the kids are wearing

the same rags. >> or maybe recycled rags from their siblings. >> neil: will this change? >> we think that the best buy is up on cost-cutting more than anything. traffic overall was down 1% in july. we didn't blame the results for spring on the retailers. we blame that on weather. looked like we're off to a soft start in summer and back to school. at some point the chickens come home to roost. so we're up against tough comparisons from a year ago. back-to-school sales were strong. >> how too we explain the web traffic at office depot. it has been up -- >> neil: you think it's better than we're being told? you think it's about right? >> i do. >> neil: or somewhere in the middle. jennifer aniston may have you running to theaters this weekend. incredibly hot, we're told. but the message behind this one? maybe not. his dad knows he's n.

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lights, camera, it's hitting theaters today and guess what else it hits? >> welcome. >> hello, madam. >> all right. i don't know what it's about. i can tell you this. in a rich/bad, poor/good, fill it in in between this is not the first cast. i put "despicable me 2" in that category. it was a cute movie where george

clooney was up in the air. the list could go on and on and on. maybe it's because it's easy. you look at anyone who has money or is a corporation as evil but it's sort of like the theme that keeps giving. what do you think of this? >> yeah. i mean hollywood loves to cast the villain as the wealthy person all of the time. look at gordon gekko, mr. burns and the simpsons, there's so many of them. the reason why, they're evil which is a bit hypocritical because many of thome who write and star in them are millionaires themselves and if they would cast themselves in the film they would be the villain simply because of their bank account. >> even a lost the kids movies, when you see any of the

"despicable me" flicks, the bank roller bankrolling, he's always the bad character. you go, all right. here we go again. i never see in any of these offering a favorable portrayal of a business type nor bank or even remotely drawn that way. i always say, geez, it wouldn't kill them to show one who wasn't. maybe in the despicable series the despicable guy in the end isn't so despicable and maybe that says something but the characters and parodies continue. >> wealth is considered to be evil which is very un-american. if you look at american millionaires, 86% of them are self-made. they didn't get it through inheritance. they got the money because of hard work and motivation and talent. these are things we should be applauding. these are great things. we shouldn't be turning them

into villains. if you look at this anti-wealth mentality, this is spilling over into everyday life. look at legislation coming out of capitol hill, the rhetoric coming out of washington, d.c., from the white house, and look at the occupy wall street movement. that's what this is all about. anti-wealth all of the time. >> i can see cases where corporations did something very bad, very sinister, and you built sort of a film documentary on it. a little of what was with erin brockovich or williams the tobacco secrets. it's quite another when you're looking at the wealthy and how they're portrayed in a movie like "up." i'm wondering if our kids to exposed to such impressions early on that they think anyone with money is bad, anyone whose

finance is undertaken. i'm not saying jokes don't hurt but ever now and then throw the rich guys a bone and say they're not all awful. >> i think they don't understand economics. i think the people in hollywood thing when the rich get richer that means the poor get poorer. that's not true. when the rich get richer, everyone get's wealthier because they have new venture and new jobs. >> you don't have to convince me of it. convince our kids. when we come back, phony baloney. ♪

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if it warranted an investigation then, stick to that investigation and get the answers now. and if targeting reporters deeply, deeply troubled you then, what makes it trouble now. the main street following it or you not giving a damn about it. if you are saying closing our embassies across the middle east is protecting our embassies now, at least have the decency to admit that ignoring such signs is killing people like an ambassador and three others now. this isn't about being consistent. this is about being honest, not an honest-to-goodness phony. that will do it. good night.

hello, everyone. i'm kimberly guilbyle along with bob beckel, eric bolling, greg gult held, and dana perino. it's 5:00 and this is "the five." moments ago president obama wrapped up his first solo news conference since april 30th. he touched on a number of topics, including the nsa, surveillance, privacy, snowden, putin, drone strike, obama karks republicans shutting down the government, benghazi, the next fed chair, immigration, and the olympics. here are some highlights. >> i wanted to ask you about your evolution on the surveillance issues. why should the public trust y